Get a Grip on the History of this Book:

"The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science.
Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man.
To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties – this knowledge, this feeling … that is the core of the true religious sentiment.
In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men."
On Science, Awe, and Humility
(read more @ Alfred Einstein Thoughts of a FreeThinker)
Spirituality =/= Religion. One breathes life. Religion is tradition, to "tie it back," literally.

Welcome to my blog. This is how I talk...
It is not a dissertation or outlined. It is an exhortation, and may at times sound foolish, so be it.
Is life eternal? Who knows for sure. But -- I see people who understood their own times (Jesus clearly was such a person) and I exhort us to understand ours, now.
While this blog reeks of my personality and writing style -- the Bible (and Christ) have at least the scent of God, of something more abiding and eternal than a mystic emotion of awe and reverence.
This book deals with and as a language talks about spiritual matters.
To understand (versus just appreciate the impact of) this book is, literally Jesus, Lord and Christ. The central premise of the book defies imagination and human experience; it demands faith, and as such deals with the impossible.
Its depth has many layers, which is sometimes hard to hear when politico-religion is around, sounding the call to submit, attend, participate and donate. And, in the United States, to also "incorporate" for tax (avoidance) purposes.
[[A Psalm] of David.]] I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
In the day when I cried thou answeredst me, [and] strengthenedst me [with] strength in my soul.
All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when they hear the words of thy mouth."
Though the LORD [be] high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off
The history of the preservation, translations, and censorships of the language and concepts of this "book" [starting apparently with papyri] is itself in part a history of the world -- politics -- nations. Obviously, it also speaks to the control of wealth and confronts it.
and now here we are on the internet, where words and creeds are cheap. (far too cheap and too easy to propagate).
It is a history of sweat, tears, drama and fire (book-burnings, people-burnings) and bloodshed. It was spread, with changes of technology and languages; and
For some reason, the understanding and action on this book was a threat to power, and to accumulated wealth-- which tells us something about this type of power, and wealth.
Religious people exist - -and can be seriously disruptive. I suggest -- getting a grip on the language (and history) of this book, if nothing else, for survival reasons.

Could you describe nature, its origins, its behaviors, like this? [Or, do you want to lament to God, "Why me??"] Check out Job 38, when the LORD, after hearing (37 chapters of theological debate, who's to blame for Job's suffering..) the LORD finally quizzes not his miserable (self-righteous) psychoanalysts -- only back then it was religious -- but Job himself.
. . .Actually, less a quiz than a challenge -- like standing (alone of course) to defend one's beloved thesis, in hopes of that blessed Ph.D. -- and realizing one is empty-handed: Job 38
"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? [smile...] Gird up your loins now and answer me like a man! Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth...who laid the cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy?" ... Where is light and darkness?[v.19]; "Who hath put wisdom in the heart, and understanding in the inward parts?" [v.36]
Where is light and darkness, indeed! Men still wish to know! NASA, MIT, FermiLab and various universities are still working on it . . . . . must be powerful information to invest such fortunes into exploring...
Department of Physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139 (Dated: June 15, 2001)

The existence of light (a massless U(1) gauge boson) is one of unresolved mysteries in nature.

In this paper, we would like to propose that light is originated from certain quantum orders in our vacuum. We will construct quantum spin models on lattice to demonstrate that some quantum orders can give rise to light without breaking any symmetries and without any fine tuning.
Through our models, we show that the existence of light can simply be a phenomenon of quantum coherence in a system with many degrees of freedom. Massless gauge fluctuations appears commonly and naturally in strongly correlated quantum systems which originally contain no gauge fields.

PACS numbers: 11.15.-q"

(MIT Xiao-Gang Wen: The Origins of Light)

Who puts wisdom in the heart?
Do we normally think in those terms--of wisdom, as a quality, which can be planted, engrained, or even poored into a heart? We don't yet know where light comes from -- so with all our institutions, anyone have a definition, way to implant, and who can tell what is the origin of "wisdom"??
...after a while of this interrogation (still presumably being destitute and completely covered with disease) Job replies -- I will lay my hand upon my mouth....
Generally speaking, most people won't come to God (or, this word) until life has got them speechless. But "speechless" is appropriate before this text. Reading it, one is in the presence of something older, very probably wiser (even if "collected wisdom") and more perceptive than onesself. It, and its language, just may have some serious insight & wisdom you just do not have! . .
What would persuade men to risk their lives, and end up burned at the stake, rather than recant on their translation of this book, and instead of saying "FORGET you -- this is MY survival, here!" to future generations, literally say things like (Jesus, allegedly) "Lord forgive them, for they know not what they do?" -- or (Stephen, on being stoned, Acts 7, allegedly) "Lord, lay not this sin to their charge!" -- or Wm. Tyndale, 1536 A.D., Lord, Open thou the King of England's eyes!" . Why? -- or for that matter, why were these men murdered to start with? Does the world really NEED a continual provision of scapegoats and bloodshed over who rules this place? If so, then perhaps they need the central message of Christ! -- or at a minimum of the books which similarly foretell of the need for redemption and prophesy of a Redeemer to come! Why did they value it so highly -- and why do religions today clearly (which this blog will illustrate) value almost anything higher than this Bible, while quoting it?
And what IS it about those psalms? . . . how can you not admire this plain speech and sentiment?....
"But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.
Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still.Selah
Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time [that] their corn and their wine increased." (from Psalm 4)

Who can really summarize this topic? But I WILL speak to it -- and while the experience is shared by many (women and mothers), not enough are speaking out about it.
Now is the time to understand its concepts, and how that church-state hybrid never (ever) had any blending with the gospel in purpose and intent, and by about 300 (possibly 200) A.D. also had little in common with its language.
Which of course, can still change....
Let the games begin...

Sunday, December 30, 2012

In 2013, What ELSE will Councils of Men decide About Women?

I guess if a certain theological fount of wisdom decided centuries ago on who God is by council (They have found Him, and -- scriptures aside -- Jesus is His Name), I should not be surprised to find the same crews, desiring something to unite their ranks as women are exiting them in disgust -- to determine by council who we are, also.


This is a heartbreaking time of year, and sometimes of life, for many, many women, particularly women who, for whatever reasons, ended up marrying what an atheist friend of mine calls, properly, "Christian Terrorists."  We have been given unacceptable alternatives, a situation which is increasingly polarized in the United States of America, while groups of people in power who run across the globe to evangelize others, I am beginning to believe do so because, at home, we actually know them by their fruits, by now.


I might as well get right down to it, but readers need to understand how deeply, deeply disturbing it is for women to find, year after year, literally NO safe place to re-engage in society after they have confronted violence -- and retain their identity as a Christian, even if they are.  How much is ENOUGH, all right already?

I am of now an older generation of women who went through this (although I'm not a mega-church type) -- ten years ago!


  1. Woman Submit! Christians & Domestic ViolenceSaddleback ...

    womansubmit.blogspot.com/.../saddleback-c

Saturday, December 29, 2012

Get a Grip on the History of This Book (my "about me")

(I finally decided to remove most of the text from "Blog Description" to a Post).

Unfortunately, I don't see an option on Google here to make this post "Sticky" but it represents the opening sentiments of this blog.   Please note:  I also blog intensively on matters of the Family Court system and on Economics, all of which are trending me towards the conclusions below:  The Bible is an amazing book, speaking to spiritual matters which may perhaps help us better diagnose what (by contrast) is this stuff we see circulating through the churches?

I am posting this on December 29, 2012, in a sense of loss and grief (not necessarily the same as feeling "alone" in this world) if not nausea, at what levels it is possible to sink, in the name of "God," morality, and saving the world.

I didn't become a Christian through the normal route -- it was much closer to the first paragraph here.  I heard something more.  I associated it with the name of Jesus Christ (eventually), and the rest is history, including mine, and why I not only refuse to darken the door of most churches, but am seriously considering how to stage a boycott, now that they are taking both tithes, tax perks, AND federal funding for programs that I can only call, terrorist (if you're female).  

I hope I get past it back into the following:

"The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science.
Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man.
To know that what is impenetrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties – this knowledge, this feeling … that is the core of the true religious sentiment.
In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself among profoundly religious men."
On Science, Awe, and Humility
(read more @ Alfred Einstein Thoughts of a FreeThinker)

Spirituality =/= Religion. One breathes life. Religion is tradition, to "tie it back," literally.

Welcome to my blog. This is how I talk...
It is not a dissertation or outlined. It is an exhortation, and may at times sound foolish, so be it.
Is life eternal? Who knows for sure. But -- I see people who understood their own times (Jesus clearly was such a person) and I exhort us to understand ours, now.

While this blog reeks of my personality and writing style -- the Bible (and Christ) have at least the scent of God, of something more abiding and eternal than a mystic emotion of awe and reverence.

This book deals with and as a language talks about spiritual matters.

To understand (versus just appreciate the impact of) this book is, literally Jesus, Lord and Christ. The central premise of the book defies imagination and human experience; it demands faith, and as such deals with the impossible.

Its depth has many layers, which is sometimes hard to hear when politico-religion is around, sounding the call to submit, attend, participate and donate. And, in the United States, to also "incorporate" for tax (avoidance) purposes.

[[A Psalm] of David.]] I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
In the day when I cried thou answeredst me, [and] strengthenedst me [with] strength in my soul.
All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when they hear the words of thy mouth."
Though the LORD [be] high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off
The history of the preservation, translations, and censorships of the language and concepts of this "book" [starting apparently with papyri] is itself in part a history of the world -- politics -- nations. Obviously, it also speaks to the control of wealth and confronts it.
and now here we are on the internet, where words and creeds are cheap. (far too cheap and too easy to propagate).
It is a history of sweat, tears, drama and fire (book-burnings, people-burnings) and bloodshed. It was spread, with changes of technology and languages; and
For some reason, the understanding and action on this book was a threat to power, and to accumulated wealth-- which tells us something about this type of power, and wealth.
Religious people exist - -and can be seriously disruptive. I suggest -- getting a grip on the language (and history) of this book, if nothing else, for survival reasons.


Friday, September 7, 2012

A Minor Omission of Half the Human Race, in Global Outreach


Somehow when some worldwide evangelical associations challenge each other on how to  "Respond to the Global Challenge of Islam," whether doctrinally or culturally, -- somehow honor killings, etc. -- didn't even make the agenda.  

At the bottom, don't forget to note the conclusion of the matter:

 The credibility of the Christians’ missionary endeavors, at home within a pluralistic society, and overseas, depends on their distancing themselves from the norms and the lifestyles of the secular societies that surround them.
That's about as dangerous a philosophy for women in some of these cults, or even widely accepted religions.  Not a day goes by when I don't wonder HOW in America, did this abuse happen? Does everyone someone think someone else is going to address it?   And what's going to happen, how much worse, if Romney becomes President (not that Obama is a woman's friend either)....


What About the Women?  3 Women Speak Out

OK -- I have to bring this up.  Why no rhetoric -- at all -- on violence aimed specifically at women, from both groups?  What is so frightening and dangerous to the same system about non-abused, adult or young females?  

This silence has been an absolutely clear statement BY Christians, whether this abuse was coming from their own, or those they wish to disciple sensitively to culture, but without compromising the doctrine of the Trinity (see 300 AD or thereabouts), itself promoted and perpetuated by violence and force.

Welcome to Middle East Resources


Just a reminder, there are both men and women in both these movements.  This means, the women in the movements are either (see "dumb idols" above) "aphona" (mute), or blind, or perhaps both. OR, their voices while participating and supporting these groups are silenced.

Prophets, in the past, were not silent about violence, and the prophesied prophet called Jesus was not deaf dumb and blind about treatment of women even in the gospel accounts.  Why, that long ago (see John 8) would there actually be an account about him saving a woman caught in adultery (strangely, and as happens also often to this day in certain cultures, no male was caught with her) from being stoned to death?  

Almost none of these groups mainstreamed, sidelined monotheistic "Christians" (which others, of course claim are not true Christians) will touch with a ten-foot pole what their own leadership (and let's not forget that these are groups of follow-the-leader by definition) have done to endorse, condone, and commit extreme violence against women, and children overall -- let alone other profiled groups.  And in this (alas) I have to of course include Muslims.

So, I can't be honest here -- if I omitted this discussion, which will offend-- well, proponents of both, and possibly a third, religion -- as  I will also (as ever) put in my two -- or fifteen-- bits of scripture to talk back, below, for which you will have to blame me, none of the three well-known women below.

There are leading women, all writers, all with some roots in the Abrahamic religions, all alive now, who have been documenting and reporting on the violence of Islam, specifically, for a LONG time; at least one has had a death threat on her (and fled from a European country to the United States); another has been in New York (I believe) as a psychologist and writer, but has been repeatedly, it seems, excommunicated by feminists (though she is one of the originals) for speaking out on honor killings; this woman also had experienced being trapped in Afghanistan as a young wife and mother; she knows what she writes about.
And the third hails originally from Egypt.   She's been heckled, I think on both coasts at prominent Universities (Brown Univ. & UC Berkeley)

Thursday, September 6, 2012

How Crazy Is It? Boilerplate Creeds vs. Scripture. Plus Incorporation.

Unapologetically arguing with the Christian apologetics about their "Reasons to Believe" in the Trinity, etc.

This post is not neatly folded laundry, and wouldn't have been published except I wish to raise the issue (sound an alarm) before November (election day, USA) AND before the end of September, 2012 ,by which "welfare" must be reauthorized by the US Congress.  I happen to understand, uncomfortably so, just about how deeply welfare reform = theocentric government in actions.  As such, if you know the basic history of Christianity -- you have a headsup in what it's doing (basically, the feudal system restored, along with dishonesty, stealing, and in the name of "God" (or, public welfare).    


There is significant hazard to the general public in actually segmenting the religious elements -- because the same elements don't believe they should be so segmented, and will exploit every avenue to become centralized and dominant.

In this matter -- sorry to point this out to agnostics and atheists -- literacy in the Scriptures (and at least SOME basic outline of the history of the texts, or access to SOME tools which enable one to look at certain places those texts were messed with or twisted) -- is indispensable, as well is caring about the matter.  People need to come to a decision where they stand, and what they will do constructively to stem the mass indoctrination into systems of abuse, while being aware that it is not possible to stem the religious impulse, which is (as it were) the impulse to bow to authorities and let them think through the difficult issues of life for onesself, while exiling and marginalizing those who tackle them and hence -- are different.

This is entirely different from the spiritual impulse, closer related to awe and appreciation of things beyond one's comprehension, without the necessity of outlining and naming them conveniently, with borrowed labels of ignoble history.

The other tool, once "Manuscripts and History of Christianity 101" has been digested -- it need not take years to grasp the basics -- is simply the habit of looking up tax returns where possible.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_einstein.html

“Mere unbelief in a personal God is no philosophy at all.”
Albert Einstein, letter to V. T Aaltonen, May 7, 1952, Einstein Archive 59-059; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 216.

“I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being.”
Albert Einstein, to Guy H. Raner Jr., September 28, 1949; from Michael R. Gilmore, "Einstein's God: Just What Did Einstein Believe About God?," Skeptic, 1997, 5(2):64.


How can people who claim to respect a book that people were burned at the stake for translating, risked their lives for, and being intelligent, committed, and courageous to provide for posterity -- show such utter disrespect for the same book, while seeking power and influence in their own decade and generation?

Take a quick trip through this timeline ("Greatsite.com") of the history of getting this book into English -- and how it was "locked up in Latin" for almost 1,000 years.  Learn something you probably didn't know about that history -- and then  ask -- WHERE did the current illiteracy about this history -- and this book -- come from?  Who or what would actually want such illiteracy, given that the distribution of this Bible itself was significant in developing a) the English language itself and b) literacy in general across England.   Wars were fought about this matter, people died.

And now, people can walk to a corner store and buy one, check into a hotel and steal a Gideon's Bible, and have on-line access to compare versions (interlinears, etc.) -- but are still picking up their belief system from the one that was established, essentially, ca. 300 (or, 381) A.D. by council and enforced through state and ecclesiastical terrorism.

And the same crowd fears Islam (not their own) and wishes to dominate the landscape with the same essential creed, and obtaining federal support  (either by tax-exempt status as a church or religious corporation) and/or even faith-based funding for the poor and needy (which I covered more on the LetsGetHonest blog).

Unbelievable.

Let's Get Honest about "the Great Commission" (Matthew 28:19)


This question is posted at "onislam.net" -- a site which I ran across in looking up things for the last set of posts, which is a legitimate question.

Labored over Labor Day (+ some) on this post, coming to some conclusions:


First, it is a disgrace that Muslims, like Jews, and as did the earliest followers of Jesus,  understand God is One and traditional Christians nowadays do not.  

Nor do they accept or understand that historically the triune God has nothing to do even with one of the alleged founders of this Christianity, the apostle Paul, who fought the matter time and again in his ministry and calling to the Gentiles, i.e., to what his own people called, the heathen.

Nor, given this still Gentile, military-political-religious complex mindset, has Christianity as a whole confessed its own sins in bastardizing what it continues to state, hypocritically, are its own scriptures -- even while attempting to evangelize not just its neighbors but, literally the world into the same mindset, which is to say, be ignorant of spiritual matters, like us, drink the Kool-aid as our forefathers did...  Many Christians DO understand that the Trinity and the Triune concept are a Hellenized, 4th century amalgam related to political expediencies -- but these brands are not central, mainstream Christianity any more -- and they are not such loudmouths.  

Moreover, being sidelined (in part for the habit of reading the Bible more than sitting in for catechism into the triune godhead, which is to say, becoming more dissociative by the year (when it comes to reading this Bible, and practicing it) -- some of these groups have also developed other unique quirks and habits to self-identify and added yet more things to the same scriptures.




Second, after starting out with this, I found I had to (felt it necessary to) handle "the Great Commission" (Matthew 28:19) issue -- which is a Trinitarian issue (insert) up front, but then began again with commentary from "onislam.net" as a demonstration of how both sides handle reasoning from scripture.

Where it gets even longer is as I get in the mix also, by quoting scripture.

As I Corinthians 12 begins:


The two links in the text are to a Greek interlinear, showing that the word "gifts" is an addition; only the adjective "πνευματικῶν" remains and a better translation would be spiritual matters, or spiritual things.  I also notice that there's an article "the" before

Also the word "dumb" is "mute" [ἄφωνα //aphona; without sound].  (In short, their idols have NOTHING to say.  Apparently, this was no problem -- such Gentiles fabricated prophesies, words, etc. for them, and have been doing that ever since, reading INTO  scriptures and prophecies, ALL from  the monotheistic tribes, that aren't there, but are more friendly to a pagan mind.... In case you wondered how we got the Triune God -- that's the short version. ).  In short, as Gentiles, these now brethren are reminded of where they came from.  They were ADHD and clueless regarding the things of God, and would've remained that way had they not been preached to been joined in spirit to the inheritance of the One-God nation, Israel.

Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Why the Great Commission, Isn't, and Why it matters


Bear with another installment of this "foolishness," please!

This is part 2 of another humongous post, as I stand in awe of what I can only call the insanity of "ChrisTRIunity."  It cannot stand the scrutiny of scholarship, and withers immediately -- at least of a dialogue and reason is involved -- when a Muslim can readily point out about the verses commonly used to support the One-In-Three approach. Someone doesn't believe this -- especially that last part:



12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, andis a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do


Right now, my post is not high-traffic, nor am I promoting it.  It is simply a setting forth of some examples, along side scriptures, of the problem and consequences to a continued failure to resolve it (by self-styled Christians) - -- and these are not just in-house problems, they spill over to the rest of us.   That said, I am not copyediting or reviewing this post (time constraints) nor is it being presented as "doctoral" or expert.  The intent is to get people, especially self-designated Christians (and Catholics) to get off the couch about the issue.  

Because oppressive religion and oppressive government go hand in hand, and this is in our midst.  We have honor killings in the US, and we have Christian women fleeing for their lives from evangelical or other traditionally (abusive) situations, and finding no safe haven as Christians.   We are also being ceremonially stripped of our children and ending up, when we keep them, either in long-term poverty, or in long-term court battles to retain custody -- and this is due to the setup of the "family" court system.

I have read many debates and websites in the past (week) around this new information (to me), that the "WEA" is up in arms against (trinitarian) Wycliffe Bible Translators (a Florida corporation) -- and protesting the "dilution of the Bible" to accommodate conversion of Muslims.

While I am not in favor of diluting the Bible, anyone who is going "triune" already has.  Either it's a valid point of reference as to this resurrection of Christ and the outpouring of the holy spirit -- or it's not.   Not everyone is going to believe, and any "Great Commission" which orders followers to attempt to make them to-- as opposed to preaching the gospel and giving people an informed choice on it! -- is going to involve coercion.

It is time-consuming and of course laborious to patiently lay things out.  Many things have already been laid out in these matters, and simply rejected by those wishing to dominate this world, allegedly for Christ -- not just stand as righteous in the next.  I wish I didn't know so much about that, but, hey, whatcha gonna do?

When a Muslim, who does not believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, or the outpouring of the gift of holy spirit on Pentecost (so far as I know) has to explain to a Christian that there STILL is one God, and that God is Spirit (not a man), then I think that's a sad commentary on Christians.  I think the Christians need to get off all the commentaries, back into their Bible, and reconsider who they are following and whom they are serving.

Certain basics, once you understand them, you should be able to show another person either from the scriptures, from the power of God, or from your lifestyles, what this is about.   Collectively speaking, Christians are not.  I say this from a "blue" state in the USA and from having been brought up attending church, yet not learning a thing from it. 

No one should be endorsing a religion that oppresses the vulnerable while quoting its sacred texts -- out of context, too!

Monday, September 3, 2012

How Trinitarian is your Muslim Outreach? (2 of 3)


Continues directly from the bottom of last post. If you dare . . . . "I searched, I saw, I was ensnared" in this foolish debate . . . . . but good history lesson...




MY COMMENTARY ON THE FOCUS ON "COMMENTARIES" AND PASTORS' TOOLKITS IN PREACHING THE GOSPEL: WHILE THIS SECTION MAY NOT INTEREST THE NON-BIBLE-READERS AROUND HERE, I SUGGEST WE GET A GRIP ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS -- AND MAINSTREAM CHRISTIANITY.  IT'S A POLITICALLY HOT TOPIC, AND IN TWO MONTHS (SEPT. OCT., PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!) WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE IS GOING TO AFFECT YOUR FUTURE AS WELL.   

CAMPAIGN 2012

N. Carolina vote could turn on gay marriage

Updated 10:17 p.m., Saturday, September 1, 2012
In print version of SFChronicle yesterday, this photo was front page of A22, and very large, although it is simply someone's marked up bible.  

If you note, this Bible version (two-column highlit parts over horizontal lines across the whole page, plus extra middle-column of notes in the center) is (left-side) about half commentary, or (right side) about one-quarter commentary on the bottom. It's an electoral issue for sure. When a preacher can't read a Bible with out a 1:1 or 1:3 portion of commentary, then we have a problem.  Which is more important? . . . . . 

The Rev. Patrick Wooden's Bible contains colorful annotations at the Upper Room Church of God in Christ in Raleigh, N.C. Photo: D.l. Anderson, SFC / SF


Compare with a page from a far older "Tyndale translation -- it's in one piece..."  Notice, there are no numbered verses, either.    


File:Tyndale Bible - Gospel of John.jpg
English: First page of the Gospel of Saint John, from the 1526 Peter Schoeffer printing of William Tyndale's English translation of the Bible.
Visually compare -- one is a solid, single body of text.  the other is hacked up, divided into two columns with middle references and (apparently on every page) explanatory footnotes, as though the bible couldn't speak for itself. 

Blueletter Bible gives the timeline:  Chapters in 1227AD, Verses (for Greek) in 1551 -- post-Tyndale, etc.


The Chapters Added In The Thirteenth Century
A man named Stephen Langton divided the Bible into chapters in the year A.D. 1227. Langton was a professor at the University of Paris and later he became the Archbishop of Canterbury.
The Verses Were Added In The Sixteenth Century
Robert Stephanus (Stephens), a French printer, divided the verses for his Greek New Testament. It was published in 1551.
The First Bible With Chapter And Verse Divisions
The first entire Bible in which these chapter and verse divisions were used was Stephen's edition of the Latin Vulgate (1555). The first English New Testament to have both chapter and verse divisions was the Geneva Bible (1560). Fortunately Jewish scholars have followed the way of dividing the Hebrew Scripture into chapters and verses.  (huh?)

The original authors of Scripture did not intend that their writings be divided up into chapters or verses. They intended that the books be read straight through from the beginning. A number of the books of Scripture can be read through in one sitting. This is the best way to discover what the author is trying to say{{or, as it were SAYING...}}} . Dividing up the Scripture into chapters and verses encourages people to read only small parts at a time. This is not always helpful.




So, re: (above):
Another useful tool comes from Logos Bible Software who has a program that equips the pastor with a library for lifeWe will be supplying these to selected leaders around Africa

THEN WHO NEEDS GOD?


How Trinitarian is your Muslim Outreach? (3)

Continued, alas, from the bottom of the previous post . . . .




WYCLIFFE BIBLE TRANSLATORS, INC. STATEMENT ON DOCTRINAL BELIEFS AND TRANSLATION STANDARDS

In light of recent discussions of Bible translation practices, particularly for Muslim contexts, Wycliffe Bible Translators, Inc. makes the following statement.


    1. We affirm our Doctrinal Statement found athttp://www.wycliffe.org/About/WhatWeBelieve/Doctrine.aspxand Core Values found athttp://www.wycliffe.org/About/WhatWeBelieve/CoreValues.aspx
    2. In particular regard to the authority and inspiration of the Word of God, we believe the Bible, the inspired Word of God, is completely trustworthy, speaking with supreme authority in all matters of belief and practice.
    3. In particular regard to our position as orthodox Trinitarians, we believe in one God, who exists eternally in three persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
    4. In particular regard to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, we believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, born of the virgin Mary, is fully God and fully human; He demonstrated God’s love for sinners by suffering the penalty of death in their place, rose bodily from the dead and ascended to heaven where He intercedes for His people. We believe the Lord Jesus Christ will return personally in glory, raise the dead, and judge the world.
    5. In particular regard to salvation by Christ alone, we believe all who repent and trust in Jesus Christ alone as Lord and Savior are, by the grace of God, declared to be right with Him, receiving forgiveness and eternal life.
    6. In particular regard to the Church, we believe the Church is the body of Christ, the fellowship of all believers, and is commissioned to make disciples of all nations. Our commitment is to assist the Church in completing the Great Commission through the tasks God has called us to lead. We affirm that world evangelism and discipleship is God's charge to the Church.
    7. In particular regard to the importance and value of Bible translation in the mother tongue we affirm that our focus is founded on the promise in Scripture that God’s Word will accomplish what He wants it to accomplish. The Word of God transforms lives when it is translated into a language that speaks to peoples' hearts. 
    Looking at point 4, from the viewpoint of someone who has spent more time reading the Bible than being (obviously) properly indoctrinated and discipled into this worldview, it is clear to me that the summary of points is presented in a grammar (and language) different from the words and Word of God.  Grammar counts, at least in English.  

    Those that can't be faithful to it in English, after all the suffering, and martyrdoms, or men whose life's labor was translating this into English under intense persecutions, have dishonored those men, are disrespectful also of the English-to English itself (i.e., even without a language barrier, these cannot accurately summarize what the Bible says in their own statements of faith!) -- and as such probably shouldn't be trusted with anything.  

    This paragraph 4 is what led to my going "beyond foolish" to talk about the difference between composite declarations of faith, internet-marketed and corporately underwritten -- as opposed to the record in the Old and New Testaments which these same can't quote or recite because, if these words simply WERE their own confession of faith, they would be doing so --and given verbatim, would directly oppose and contradict that same confession!


    1. n particular regard to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, we believe that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, born of the virgin Mary, is fully God and fully human; He demonstrated God’s love for sinners by suffering the penalty of death in their place, rose bodily from the dead and ascended to heaven where He intercedes for His people. We believe the Lord Jesus Christ will return personally in glory, raise the dead, and judge the world.

    Romans 10: talks about zeal, absent submitting onesself to "the righteousness of God."   Rather than point after point of belief, how about a single chapter of the Bible, in context, with its flow and with its statements?

    Then another single chapter (not phrase-fragment) from the same Bible, in context, with its flow and with its statements?   Why, exactly, cannot these various evangelical groups get it together, drop the "what WE believe" and replace it with preaching the gospel?  Rather than functioning to censor other beliefs (as in, A.D. 381 the Dawn of the Monotheistic Age and the End of Paganism), and make fools of themselves in front of others - -- simply preach it, (read it aloud and stick it up on all the websites AS It OCCURS at least in English -- and see whether the real God might not just show up and help them out?

    And, if there is no such real God, then drop the whole thing, and save the world a lot of grief -- and religious wars....

    In short, who cares what "we believe"?  I don't, other than when it spreads ignorance at too many levels, and that's a LOT of voters we are talking about, in the US..

    The message is, "if THOU shalt believe!"  "THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."  (IN WHAT?)   

    Romans 10 (from Bible.cc, which is easier to get consecutive verses from than BlueletterBible, the link above):
    1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.