This is a heartbreaking time of year, and sometimes of life, for many, many women, particularly women who, for whatever reasons, ended up marrying what an atheist friend of mine calls, properly, "Christian Terrorists." We have been given unacceptable alternatives, a situation which is increasingly polarized in the United States of America, while groups of people in power who run across the globe to evangelize others, I am beginning to believe do so because, at home, we actually know them by their fruits, by now.
I might as well get right down to it, but readers need to understand how deeply, deeply disturbing it is for women to find, year after year, literally NO safe place to re-engage in society after they have confronted violence -- and retain their identity as a Christian, even if they are. How much is ENOUGH, all right already?
I am of now an older generation of women who went through this (although I'm not a mega-church type) -- ten years ago!
The WHAT??? You've GOT to be kidding me (I thought), but apparently not:
Saddleback Church also tows the traditional line in regards to the doctrine of male authority and female submission? Male authority which can still be maintained in a controlled separation but is seriously threatened when a woman is given leeway of any kind, for whatever reason, in ceasing to submit to an abusive husband by divorcing him? Is it any wonder then, that Holladay also inserted submission theology into his teaching on the subject of abuse by subtly reminding women of their duty to maintain a submissive attitude towards their husbands, although he tempers the inclusion by acceding that tolerating abuse is not a proper example of displaying an attitude of submission.
Nancy Leigh DeMoss, author and council member of The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW), does the same in her book, Lies Women Believe. Her advice to women in abusive marriages is to leave if they have to, but never, under any circumstances, consider divorce. If a separation must take place, counsels DeMoss, then during the separation, an abused wife is to maintain an attitude of reverence towards her abusive husband’s God-given position of authority over her—which, according to DeMoss, is not abrogated by the abuse.
I looked it up. Again, I feel ill in the core of my being. let these people go believe and spout off what they want -- but I personally believe there wouldn't be feminists if there weren't this insane overentitlement by gender in the first place. I could've stayed married and just waited until I was short or stabbed to death in a nice, nuclear "Christian" home, but BECAUSE among other things (lots of them!), I'm a mother -- I felt it unwise to risk my kids' lives too.
How did "society" respond to this? With the family court system (the antidote to feminism, disguised as secular), and where I learned that a crime against a mother is not a crime. The DV industry has apparently forgotten that mothers are also women -- and made a backroom deal with the fatherhood industry (BOTH funded by the public) to just not talk about it. Also, I learned through the child support system that a debt to a woman is not a real debt, either.
So, in return for literally averting a murder/suicide and going back about functioning as a contributing member of society, dutifully (per court order) obeying them to the T -- meaning Dad got to see them every weekend, if he so chose, without exception -- on a certain day many moons (actually suns -- years) ago, in compliance with this, I dropped my (girls) off for an overnight visitation, and never got them back. This was not justified legally or factually, the allegations used to start a court case had no evidence behind them whatosever, and it absolutely didn't matter anyhow.
So just while my battery is still good, and without apology for the formatting, nonsequitur sequences or anything else on this post, let me introduce us all to:
(I gather that's the "missionary" position?).... Don't forget to tithe. After all, it's a nonprofit and responsible, too!
As a non-profit ministry serving the church, CBMW relies on the support of local churches and individual believers.Financial integrity at CBMW is certified by the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA member profile). CBMW is a 501 c 3 organization making contributions tax deductible.
If you have more questions about donating please contact us.
The “Danvers Statement” summarizes the need for the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) and serves as an overview of our core beliefs. This statement was prepared by several evangelical leaders at a CBMW meeting in Danvers, Massachusetts, in December of 1987. It was first published in final form by the CBMW in Wheaton, Illinois in November of 1988.
I want everyone to know exactly who is on this board of directors, what professions, denominations and etc. they represent, and you are on alert that there is STILL no excuse for abuse, and that sentient, intelligent women and mothers still exist. We are leaving the church by droves, and are quite capable of staging a nice boycott, which I'm thinking of about this time, perhaps Easter would be a terrific symptom --
Unless you either give up the nonprofit status, or "give it up" with this rhetoric.
I have had two decades of extreme violence by spouse, followed by rejection by family because I'm Christian and single, courts (just doing their "thang") and was hounded out of the very profession that would support my own kids by this lawlessness. Enough is ENOUGH!!!
They have what looks like a well-funded, moving-image website, I notice a section addressing "Biblical feminists."
Russell D. Moore, Ph.D.Chairman
Senior Vice President, Academic Administration
Dean, School of TheologyThe Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
Louisville, KYDaniel L. Akin, Ph.D.
Wayne A. Grudem, Ph.D.Research Professor of Bible and Theology
Phoenix SeminaryScottsdale, AZK. Erik Thoennes, Ph.D.Associate Professor of Theology
Talbot School of Theology, Biola UniversityPastor, Grace Evangelical Free ChurchLa Mirada, CAJ. Ligon Duncan III, Ph.D.PresidentRandy Stinson, Ph.D.
Senior Fellow
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Louisville, KY
Founded: 1987
Current Status: Member
Member Since: November 3, 1992
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THIS ORGANIZATION IS "FOREIGN" TO KENTUCKY - ITS HOME STATE OF INCORPORATION IS "ILLINOIS," HARDLY SUPRISING CONSIDERING WHAT ELSE COMES FROM ILLINOIS IN THIS FIELD.
It is founded in Kentucky as a Foreign Corporation with an unstable incorporation history. I'll be back, but here's where you can look it up:
| ompany Name | Organization Number | Status | Type |
|---|---|---|---|
| COUNCIL ON BIBLICAL MANHOOD AND WOMANHOOD INC | 0766691 | I-Inactive | FCO-Foreign Corporation |
| COUNCIL ON BIBLICAL MANHOOD AND WOMANHOOD, INC | 0843979 | A-Active - Good | FCO-Foreign Corporation |
| COUNCIL ON BIBLICAL MANHOOD AND WOMANHOOD, INC. |
(the "status" column to far right doesn't show, but you should look at it).
I note offhand that a foundation from Louisville was in support (along with Institute for American Values and Diane Sollee's Washington D.C. Group) to start a marriage movement, conference date ca. 2000, see my family court blog..)
Details on this at bottom of the post. They are preaching to us, but can't stay incorporated?
(following up on the Saddleback article, above).
Thankfully, Holladay did not go as far as Bruce Ware did in his presentation to Denton Bible Church, last year (2008!!!), by suggesting that women often bring abuse upon themselves by not submitting to their husbands.
No matter who is discussing abuse, either victims or church leadership, it seems the subject of submission always manages to slip into the conversation. We just cannot seem to discuss the one without discussing the other. Many victims know that abuse is the extreme end result of the doctrine of female subordination, while supporters of the doctrine acknowledge the fact that it must be carefully controlled or disaster can and often does come of it.
I found this logo when researching some fatherhood programming being run (at public expense) through the Michigan State Department of Human Services
AACC is about Christian Counselors. They are heading into the counseling field with a vengeance....
I cannot tell you how distressed mothers are (I'm talking Christian mothers) when they learn about the federal funding that complements the religious coverup of violence and aggression towards them particularly as mothers. An example from what lies in front of any women who dare to flout both church AND government and expect protection on the basis, they are human beings, have many times paid taxes, contributed to society (not just by giving birth!) and refrained from personally committing crimes, even though many were victims of them within that marriage relationship.
While this is actually (technically speaking) more about setting up systems of power and money-- it still hurts that it targets us (mothers who left marriages, and often for VERY good reasons: they like to stay physically alive!)
- 2008 Dads Get Free Legal Advice and Information about Parenting
- 2009 Governor (Jennifer Granholm) Declares February Responsible Fatherhood Awareness Month in Michigan . . .
- 2012, a Different Governor, “Reinventing Michigan” looks more to me like “business as usual” (same message!)
February 2012: Responsible Fatherhood Awareness Month
I just found out that a “Randell Turner, Ph.D.” (right) whose linkedIn below gives a nice clue to how serious these groups are about pushing their message was also formerly Vice President of the National Fatherhood Initiative, and has moved from there into another serious player in this field, “ICF International.”
I know quite a bit about this funding, and should've been better prepared, but yesterday, when I saw this information, and connected the above individual (one of many, it's not just about him in particular) to the AACC circuit (see logo above) alongside "University of Light" faculty, "Liberty University" counselors, and other Fuller Theological Seminary Types -- I still was ill, as in disturbed/nauseated on a gut level. Among other things, the re-entry funding allegedly transforms sex offenders into better parents, after which of course the next obvious thing to do is reunite them with their offspring. In this way, children can be USED to make Dad a better parent, which is good for society. This is marketed under the "fatherhood rhetoric" which basically scapegoats women like myself and others who thought the United States of America was a safe place for women to give birth and simultaneously believe in Jesus Christ, and that marriage =/= punching bag, scape goat WRONG!!! (I found this and reported it as I found it, the other day):
Dr. Turner initiated one of the first state-wide prisoner re-entry programs with the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections, by developing the Helping Offenders Parent Effectively,** (H.O.P.E.) a prison to community re-entry and transition program, community resources, training and strategies to prepare incarcerated parents for prisoner reentry. Dr. Turner co-authored an award winning column given by the Evangelical Press Association for Prison Fellowship, a nonprofit ministry, Inside Edition a faith-based newsletter addressing incarcerated fatherhood issues.The curricula get federal funding. A captive audience, literally. Sometimes welfare funds are diverted for this noble cause in general (marriage promotion, no matter what...)
Since 2004, Dr. Turner has been developing and implementing new program/curricula for transitioning sex offenders returning from state and county prisons.
(from taggs.hhs.gov, a grants database $3 million of the above (that’s straight-out grant, not contracts) is a single grant, “90FH0002″:
Recipient Name City State ZIP Code County DUNS Number Sum of Awards I C F, INC FAIRFAX VA 22031-6050 FAIRFAX 072648579 $ 6,435,784
ANYHOW, WHERE, precisely, are women such as myself, and these others, supposed to go? No one likes aggressive violent women -- but I would like to know what the alternatives are, I mean, socially.
If you have heard of Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, or the concept of "mega-church," you are in this. We already know (many of us) that churches per se are historically going to coverup various forms of violence and other criminal activity against their own women, and children, which would land a person in jail had it been done to a stranger, and reported.
There comes a point when it's unacceptable for a man to shove his face in a woman's and settle arguments by interrupting, yelling, stomping out, or (if it's his wife) hauling off and hitting her -- and that point is the FIRST time.
Men and Brethren (that's YOu I'm talking to if the shoe fits), "these things ought not to be so!"
From "BlackChristianNews" in 2009:
A Look at Saddleback's Position on Domestic Violence from a Former Member | 6 Comments (only 6 comments?)
On Sunday afternoons, Sheri Ferber, a 43-year-old mother of three, listens online to Rick Warren's sermons, streamed from the 25,000-member Saddleback Church where she was a devoted member for ten years. Although Sheri, pictured here, now lives an hour away in Temecula, California, she hangs on the weekly sermons like a woman in exile. It's the closest she gets to church these days.(I think it's time just to tune the guy out. But women get conditioned to take abuse)
Four years ago ((=2005), she approached a Saddleback pastor for protection against her husband, who'd violently attacked her while they were driving home from church. Instead of protecting her, Ferber says, the pastor called her husband to warn him that Ferber had been "gossiping about their marriage." Ferber, it seems, had run into Saddleback's teaching that the sanctity of marriage prohibits divorce in all but a few circumstances, and domestic violence is not one of them. Abused wives could separate from their husbands, Teaching Pastor Tom Holladay explained in audio clips once available on the church website, but only with the intent to reconcile through church counseling.
"There's something in me that wishes there was a Bible verse that says if they abuse you in this and such kind of way then you can leave them," said Holladay, but sadly, he concluded, there wasn't. "It's not like you can escape the pain," he said, since the "short-term solution" of divorce leaves the "long-term pain" of a failed marriage. Holladay further qualified that domestic abuse meant regular beatings, not simply a spouse who "grabbed you once."
The clips were removed from the website this spring, in the months after Warren, the casual-Friday face of "new Evangelicals," spoke at President Barack Obama's inauguration.For why President Barack Obama is inviting men who believe this kind of schlock to speak at his inauguration, see "http://fatherhood.gov" and his relationship with Jeffrey Leving, Esq. of Chicago, for which see "http://azffc.org/" and the various "Revs." on the Board. He probably needed this to get elected, and some things never "Change," although seems to me, this was part of the 2004 Democrat platform as a relief from Republican right-wing stuff.
But the underlying problems have not disappeared. Like many conservative churches, particularly fellow Southern Baptist churches, Saddleback teaches a traditional view of gender roles in marriage, where wives submit to husbands' protection and leadership. Supporters say that in many cases this Christian model of marriage, known as "complementarianism," can work out well, for both men and women. But in cases where the husband is prone to hitting, experts warn, the teachings can be disastrous: encouraging the abuser and shaming wives into thinking they can't report the abuse and still be right with God.
I would like to ask you -- if the so-called "church" is such a wonderful haven, why are women running FROM it into the courts for protection, and not finding it either place?
The historic development of "Family Courts" as a corporate entity relates to protesting divorce as undermining the stability of the country. Accordingly, when we are beat up in the house, we should learn to be more conciliatory, even if we have to flee for our lives. I am one of those. I did ten years in the marriage, and ten years AFTER the marriage, and the one conclusion I came to, overall, is that this world is simply not willing to face its own "demons" and throw 'em out!
Instead, they will either throw the mothers out (for a newer model, or a more submissive one), or, if they are allowed to stay (and care to stick around to be insulted some more), they must remember their Biblical roles.
These must be remembered even when the men speaking are reiterating a church/state doctrine that was decided long ago (as ever) by force and for political reasons.
BELOW THIS LINE IS JUST INCORPORATION DATA (FOROM KENTUCKY):
| Organization Number | 0766691 | |
| Name | COUNCIL ON BIBLICAL MANHOOD AND WOMANHOOD INC | |
| Profit or Non-Profit | N - Non-profit | |
| Company Type | FCO - Foreign Corporation | |
| Status | I - Inactive | |
| Standing | B - Bad | |
| State | IL | |
| File Date | 7/9/2010 | |
| Authority Date | 7/9/2010 | |
| Last Annual Report | 7/13/2011 | |
| Principal Office | 2825 LEXINGTON RD BOX 926 LOUISVILLE, KY 40280 | |
| Registered Agent | RANDY STINSON 2825 LEXINGTON RD BOX 926 LOUISVILLE, KY 40280 |
Current Officers
| President | Randy L Stinson | |
| Treasurer | Donald Balasa | |
| Director | J. Ligon Duncan | |
| Director | Wayne Grudem | |
| Director | K. Erik Thoennes |
Individuals / Entities listed at time of formation
Images available online
| Documents filed with the Office of the Secretary of State on September 15, 2004 or thereafter are available as scanned images or PDF documents. Documents filed prior to September 15, 2004 will become available as the images are created. | |||||
| Revocation of Certificate of Authority | 9/11/2012 | 1 page | |||
| Annual Report | 7/13/2011 | 1 page | |||
| Application for Certificate of Authority(Corp) | 7/9/2010 | 2 pages | tiff | ||
NOTE to myself TO CHECK OUT -- is 'Thoennes" any relation to Nancy Thoennes of Denver''s Center for Policy Research (it is an unusual name, no?)
2nd filing (2001-2009 revocation):
| Organization Number | 0518350 | |
| Name | COUNCIL ON BIBLICAL MANHOOD AND WOMANHOOD, INC. | |
| Profit or Non-Profit | N - Non-profit | |
| Company Type | FCO - Foreign Corporation | |
| Status | I - Inactive | |
| Standing | B - Bad | |
| State | IL | |
| File Date | 6/27/2001 | |
| Authority Date | 6/27/2001 | |
| Last Annual Report | 6/30/2008 | |
| Principal Office | 2825 LEXINGTON RD BOX 926 LOUISVILLE, KY 40280 | |
| Registered Agent | RANDY STINSON 319 FIBLES RUN CT. SIMPSONVILLE, KY 40067 |
Current Officers
| Chairman | Ligon Duncan | |
| Treasurer | Don Balasa | |
| Director | Ligon Duncan | |
| Director | Wayne Grudem | |
| Director | Randy Stinson | |
| Director | C J Mahaney |
Individuals / Entities listed at time of formation
Images available online
| Documents filed with the Office of the Secretary of State on September 15, 2004 or thereafter are available as scanned images or PDF documents. Documents filed prior to September 15, 2004 will become available as the images are created. | |||||
| Revocation of Certificate of Authority | 11/3/2009 | 1 page | |||
| Annual Report | 6/30/2008 | 1 page | tiff | ||
| Registered Agent name/address change | 6/27/2008 | 1 page | tiff | ||
| Annual Report | 1/24/2007 | 1 page | |||
| Annual Report | 1/30/2006 | 1 page | |||
| Annual Report | 2/14/2005 | 1 page | |||
| Annual Report | 10/6/2003 | 1 page | tiff | ||
| Application for Certificate of Authority | 6/27/2001 | 3 pages | tiff | ||
FINALLY -- THEY TRIED AGAIN, THIS PAST MONTH. STAYING INCORPORATED IS A CHALLENGING, AND COMPLEX PROCESS. YOU HAVE TO SEND IN A FORMS STATING YOU EXIST, AND PAY A SMALL FEE.
(The three- year gap in incorporation is a little disconcerting to me. )
| Organization Number | 0843979 | |
| Name | COUNCIL ON BIBLICAL MANHOOD AND WOMANHOOD, INC | |
| Profit or Non-Profit | N - Non-profit | |
| Company Type | FCO - Foreign Corporation | |
| Status | A - Active | |
| Standing | G - Good | |
| State | IL | |
| File Date | 12/4/2012 | |
| Authority Date | 12/4/2012 | |
| Last Annual Report | N/A | |
| Principal Office | 2825 LEXINGTON ROAD LOUISVILLE, KY 40280 | |
| Registered Agent | RANDY STINSON 2825 LEXINGTON ROAD LOUISVILLE, KY 40280 |
Current Officers
Individuals / Entities listed at time of formation
Images available online
| Documents filed with the Office of the Secretary of State on September 15, 2004 or thereafter are available as scanned images or PDF documents. Documents filed prior to September 15, 2004 will become available as the images are created. | |||||
| Application for Certificate of Authority(Corp) | 12/4/2012 | 1 page | tiff | ||
Assumed Names
Activity History
| Filing | File Date | Effective Date | Org. Referenced | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Add | 12/4/2012 1:43:22 PM | 12/4/2012 |
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